Long, but wanting to know if I can get into the Marine Corps after being kicked out of the Navy???
Jan. 3rd, 2006 @ 12:00 pm
I was in the Navy for 7 months and 5 days, but I got discharged, so I want to try to join the Army or the Marine Corps if it'll be possible.
*May 25th- I went to USN boot camp.
*July 22nd- Pass In Review.
*September 4th- A shipmate turned me and 3 other shipmates in for underage drinking. Went to DRB, XOI, and CO's Mast.
*September 15th-28th- 14 days restriction, 14 days extra duty, dropped to phase 1 liberty status.
*October 25th-November 23rd- Substance Abuse Rehabilitation Program at the Naval Hospital. Treatment success.
*November 24th- A shipmate turned me and 2 other shipmates in for underage drinking and riding in a privately owned vehicle while on a phase 1 liberty status. Went to DRB-- CMC said he had no choice but to drop the underage drinking charge at the DRB level because he had no evidence-- Went to XOI for riding in a POV, and XO picked back up the underage drinking charge-- Went to CO's Mast.
*December 12th-January 10th- 30 days restriction, forfeiture of 1/2 a month's pay for 2 months, processed for separation from the USN for a pattern of misconduct. And because I was involved in another alcohol related incident after successfully completing treatment, I'm now considered a treatment failure.
*December 19th- Legal Brief.
*December 30th- Discharge Date. General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions. RE-4 Code.
I don't know if this is true, especially for a misconduct case, but Legal told me it's possible for me to go on BCNR and get my RE-4 changed to an RE-3, so I can re-enlist into one of the other services. They said it's pretty simple to get your code changed. So I guess I have to do that and hopefully it will work, because with an RE-4 you can't re-enlist at all. But I heard the RE codes are used by the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard, so even with an RE-4, I could join the Army. But I don't know if that's true. And I think it's supposed to take about 6 months to get your code changed, or you have to wait 6 months til you can try to get it changed or something like that.
But then even with an RE-3, I don't know if the Marines or the Army would take me because of the misconduct and the treatment failure, because there were people from Navy, Coast Guard, Marine Corps, and Air Force all in the program when I was in it-- And if you failed treatment, I know you got kicked out of the Navy, so if they all use the same program, maybe they won't let an alcohol treatment failure re-enlist. And I'm not sure if The Army uses the program as well.
Before I joined the Navy, and while I've been away in the Navy, I've been getting mail and phone calls from Army and Marine Corps recruiters, I guess because they had access to my test scores, but one time an Army recruiter came up to me at the gym and said he always saw me working out and tried to talk to me about the Army, but that was after I already was in the Navy DEP. I didn't have any issues the first time I enlisted, like no health or family or legal issues or anything like that, so it was easy to get me in the Navy. And I heard that right now they're both having trouble making mission and have been having a lot of trouble for awhile, so maybe they would be willing to work with me.
I worked hard in the Navy during the work day, we just cleaned all the time, but I got my hands dirty with everybody else. And I was great with my room inspections and uniform inspections, I had my military bearing down, I had good relationships with everyone, I stood my watches fine, was duty driver a few times without any issues, on time for muster. And I almost always just hung around base on weekdays during liberty, I only drank on weekends when I went off base, 'cause I knew I couldn't drink on base after being turned in and caught the 1st time. But the 2nd time none of us were caught at all, but the following morning, this girl wrote a statement about us that we had been drinking the night before. It's annoying, 'cause she's underage and was also drinking, and I have no idea whatsoever why she told on us. And I had ELEVEN witnesses come to my CO'S Mast and say that they hadn't seen me drinking, which most of them hadn't anyways, 'cause it was Thanksgiving, and we were all at a hotel cooking food and hanging out, and I didn't start drinking til I went in the head with this guy. But the CO still found all 3 of us guilty and punished all 3 of us, because I guess they don't really need evidence, and 1 girl writing a statement was good enough for him. And I didn't say anything to her or request to have her at my Mast, butthe girl even came to my Mast and said she wasn't really sure what she saw, and she could've been wrong. That pissed me off.
So I'm trying to get into one of the other services now. My drinking never affected my work. Nobody ever got hurt because I was drinking. I only drank on weekends with people I felt like I could trust. And I don't depend on alcohol, it doesn't control my life or anything. So I don't feel like I don't deserve to be in the Military, because I never loved my life more than I have since being in the Navy. I really think that I was meant for Military service, and it's where I felt like I fit in.
So that's what I want to know, will I be able to re-enlist into one of the other services, especially the Marine Corps? And does anyone know anything different than what I've written, about getting codes changed and all that stuff?
With an ARI (Alcohol Related Incident) in your records, it would be a fight, but since it was just an Article 15 I don't think you are totally hopeless, although it may be a lot harder to get into the Marines than the Army at that point. The Marines are not real fond of ARIs. Neither is the Army, but they're having worse recruiting problems.
As far as going back in, if one recruiter snubs you, that is not an end-game, try another recruiting station for the same branch. Some recruiters will see potential in you where others may not.
As far as the charges, underage drinking isn't so much a problem as disobeying orders. If you are not supposed to drink or ride in a POV and you do both while on liberty it is a sign of a deeper issue, that you are not obeying orders when not supervised. This is more serious than either of the infraction themselves and may be your biggest hurdle to overcome.
I was court-martialed myself, and managed to re-enlist a few times. It means that the people in charge fo recruiting/retention were not as proactive in keeping me around so I ended up having to do a lot of it myself. But my fortitude and steadfastness were what eventually won the commander over and allowed me to stay in.
If you are not supposed to drink or ride in a POV and you do both while on liberty it is a sign of a deeper issue, that you are not obeying orders when not supervised.
if i was your CO, this'd be what pissed me off. plus, the idea that you're almost 21 but couldn't stop drinking...that's a sign of problems as well.
i would bet that you won't have too much trouble with the Army, for the same reasons as diermuid mentioned. you might want to wait until you're down to RE-3, but who knows....with tenacity you could really impress a recruiter.
That is a good point... The posted mentioned that alcohol doesn't affect their work, but if they chose to participate in illegal activities due to the lure of alcohol, then it did indeed negatively impact their life. Another thing I saw that younger people don't - After a night of binge drinking (even if you're 31) a Marine's performance and attitude about themselves is depressed for a few days afterwards. The difference seen during the "Semper Fit" initiative was astounding. Entire groups of non-NCOs were suddenly more energetic and devoted towards better things during their off-duty time. They even put a strain on the tuition reimbursement system. We also had a lot more Marines becoming pro-active in training, even settign up a plan to rappel off cliffs by our worksite, leading one higher-level SNCO to commment "I almost liked them better when they were drinking" because it was hard to keep up with the energy level.
I still don't drink much at all to this day after seeing all that. 8-)
The reason why alcohol has such a high age limit is due to the psychological maturing process that is not really complete until about that time. It is much more complex than that, but I'm not the expert, my mother used to work at a rehab. Alcohol can inhibit the maturing process, so when you see people who seem to be 'stuck' in high school, many times the root of that can be traced back to early alcohol (or drug) abuse.
thanks. well i think i have to wait 6 months to re-enlist, and i'll be 21 in august.
great, i got some hope from that. i know the reason i got off so easy with my 1st njp was 'cause i was so gung ho navy and they all knew it but i took advantage of that and didn't learn anything from it til they kicked me out. it's so frustrating. i see what you're saying about disobeying orders though, but hopefully i can make them see past that. and i know of two recruiting stations not far from me, so that's a good idea also. thank you.
No sweat. My own court-martial involved an MRI, and if you were truely gung-ho, that helps loads when it comes to re-recruitment as apathetic enlistees suck.
Did you have TWO article 15s? I thought it was just one. As a repeat offender you would have bigger fight to deal with, but not insurmountable.
i read it as two Art. 15s. i mean, NJP isn't something to take lightly, but by definition it isn't a court-martial...so there's some good there.
but i'd definitely wait for the re-3. i think she'll just be wasting her time with an re-4.
NJP isn't a death sentence, but two in succession looks pretty bad. Then again looking at it as a good officer might, once you've had one NJP you're generally tagged a shitbird and the second one just enables them to kick you out.
I originally read it as two charges, one was dropped, but by the time it went to the article 15 hearing they added it back in. Riding in a POV though? What sort of goofy charge is that? I know primary schools are strict, but to be NJP'd for that?
that is kind of a goofy charge by itself, but when you think of the whole picture it's a little clearer...the entire MO for not riding in a POV is to keep the sailors from getting too far away from the barracks and getting themselves into trouble.
it's sad that the entire reason for the XOI was the POV charge...but the XO probably would have referred her to Mast anyway. XOs are dicks like that.
on the bright side, no brig time.
Depends on the XO, my last one before I got out was a super guy, although like First Sergeants, I think they are saddled with disciplinary issues.
I sort of understand the reason for the POV issue, but it is weird that they would implement it as such. We always had milage limits. I used to take the Amtrack and go home for the weekend, from Quantico to New Jersey. It's not a POV, so I could have still done that under Navy rules. I think my rule was that I had to stay within 300 miles for weekend liberty.
yeah, i'm well versed in the 300-mile weekend liberty, but i was specifically told not to go home to NJ from Quantico.
::grin:: We were just given the milage limits. There were no current crackdowns when I hit school, except for the 4034 class where a buddy got busted for underage drinking on new year's. Ironically, he wasn't drinking, he was spraying champagne, yelling 'happy new year'. I think he got off easy because some things simply make an XO chuckle. That, and the PMO did catch him, the local cops did, and only fined him.
I have an issues that is some what the same. I am supposed to be going to an special court martial for disrespect to an Staff Sargent. Staff Sargent clamed that I rolled my eyes at him and were disrespectful in langue disposition. None of which are true. Still at this moment I don't know what to do. I already have a Njp from MCT for a fight. As well as a negative counseling in my official record jacket for wearing ear rings in civilian attire. Now this I have no idea what is going to happen to me or if ill be able to continue t serve or even get a good job after can anyone help. ANY ADVICE PLEASE !!!!!
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Special Courts-MArtial for an eyeroll?
That sounds like a bit of overkill for disrespect... if you get a dishonorable discharge, that might impact things, but my summary CM has not impacted me at all. Particularly in the economic environment we have now where 1099 contract work is plentiful. Sure, it may make it harder to work for NASA, but real jobs don't care. Similarly, no one has asked about my recordbook entries in the history of ever. Just try to clean up and continue to serve and especially get to an honorable discharge. dd-214 is about the only thing that matters, and even then, no one asks for it.
Im in the Marines and i think im about to be out
I have an issues that is some what the same. I am supposed to be going to an special court martial for disrespect to an Staff Sargent. Staff Sargent clamed that I rolled my eyes at him and were disrespectful in langue disposition. None of which are true. Still at this moment I don't know what to do. I already have a Njp from MCT for a fight. As well as a negative counseling in my official record jacket for wearing ear rings in civilian attire. Now this I have no idea what is going to happen to me or if ill be able to continue t serve or even get a good job after can anyone help.